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Join two of the leading educators in manual therapy, bodywork, and massage therapy, as they delve into the most intriguing issues, questions, research, and client conditions that hands-on practitioners face. Stimulate your thinking with imaginative conversations, tips, and interviews related to the somatic arts and sciences.
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Wednesday May 15, 2024
118: Massage Down Under (with Paula Nutting)
Wednesday May 15, 2024
Wednesday May 15, 2024
🎙️In this episode Whitney engages in a wide-ranging discussion with Paula Nutting about the world of massage therapy in Australia and beyond. They compare notes about the professional landscape, education and numerous other topics. We all learn and grow so much when we look at things through the lens of others, so this is a great opportunity to reflect on how we see things and how they may be viewed from other perspectives. Paula also shares extensively about her experience with teaching and learning about Chapman's neurolymphatic reflex points. 🔍🗣️👥🔊
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:Â
- Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.comÂ
- Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Key Points in the Podcast
- Introduction to Paula Nutting (2:00)
- Paula's background and transition into massage therapy (3:30)
- Changes in massage therapy training requirements (7:00)
- Integration with other healthcare professions (11:00)
- Overview of Chapman's reflexes (14:00)
- Pressure and technique used in Chapman's reflexes (16:30)
- Application of Chapman's reflexes in different conditions (19:30)
- Challenges in understanding the efficacy of different techniques (23:00)
- Teaching massage therapy in different environments (27:00)
- Unique experiences teaching and learning massage in different countries (32:00)
- Outlook for massage therapy in Australia (39:00)
- Advice for new practitioners entering the field (42:00)
- Where to find more information about Paula Nutting (45:00)
Resources:
- Paula's site
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.Â
- Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/,.
- Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at:Â academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
About Whitney Lowe |  About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday May 01, 2024
117: Ankle Issues Demystified (with Whitney Lowe & Til Luchau)
Wednesday May 01, 2024
Wednesday May 01, 2024
🎙️Whitney Lowe and Til Luchau explore the complexities of ankle anatomy and stability, discussing everything from the mortise and tenon structure to valgus and varus alignments. Join them as they debate ligament injuries, nerve compression, and practical strategies for addressing ankle issues. Tune in for valuable insights into the importance of client education and the role of massage in enhancing ankle function. 🔍🗣️👥🔊
👉Check out Til Luchau's new Ankle Issues livestreamed and recorded course (first time online!) at a-t.tv/workshop/onl2408m/
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:Â
- Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.comÂ
- Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Key Points in the Podcast
- Introduction and podcast overview (0:00)
- Til Luchau's Ankle Issues live-streamed course announcement (1:00)
- Sponsorship message from Books of Discovery (3:00)
- Discussion about ankle anatomy and stability (4:00)
- Importance of ankle work in manual therapy (10:00)
- Discussion about the mortise and tenon structure of the ankle (12:00)
- Overview of ankle movements and joints (15:00)
- Discussion about valgus and varus alignments (19:00)
- Debate about the role of ligament injuries in ankle sprains (23:00)
- Discussion about nerve compression and tenosynovitis in the ankle (28:00)
- Practical strategies for addressing ankle injuries (34:00)
- Importance of educating clients about foot and ankle mobility (38:00)
- Discussion about the role of massage and manual therapy in addressing ankle issues (41:00)
- Conclusion, closing sponsor message, and closing remarks (45:00)
Resources:
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.Â
- Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/, and check out Til Luchau's new Ankle Issues livestreamed and recorded course (first time online!) at a-t.tv/workshop/onl2408m/
- Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at:Â academyofclinicalmassage.comcheatsheet
About Whitney Lowe |  About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Apr 17, 2024
116: Anatomy Trains Updated (with Tom Myers)
Wednesday Apr 17, 2024
Wednesday Apr 17, 2024
🎙️This episode of the Thinking Practitioner podcast features an in-depth interview with Tom Myers, author of the influential book Anatomy Trains. Host Til Luchau and Whitney Lowe discuss Tom's bodywork background, and how his goal of providing a holistic framework for understanding the body's fascial connections lead to the development of his "Anatomy Trains" concept. They explore Ida Rolf's legacy and influence on developing a model of structural integration, and Tom shares his evolving views on topics like exercise, fascia, and the potential for sustainable posture changes. The interview provides fascinating perspectives on the history and future of bodywork models, and listeners will enjoy learning about Tom's current projects (as well as Til Luchau's contributions to his upcoming Anatomy Trains summer program). 🔍🗣️👥🔊
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:Â
- Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.comÂ
- Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Key Points in the Podcast
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[0:00-10:00] - Til Luchau interviews Tom Myers about his background and experience in bodywork. They discuss Tom's origins in the field and how he was influenced by teachers like Ida Rolf.
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[10:00-20:00] - Tom explains the development of the "Anatomy Trains" concept and how it provided a holistic framework for understanding fascial connections. He shares Ida Rolf's impact on developing structural integration models.
- [20:00-30:00] - The conversation explores evolving views on exercise, fascia, and the potential for sustainable posture changes. Tom discusses insights from his long career in hands-on practice.
- [30:00-40:00] - Whitney Lowe asks questions about fascial contractility and the role of myofibroblasts. Tom provides perspectives on fascia and potential causes of shortening.
- [40:00-50:00] - Tom's views on exercise evolution are discussed, along with the importance of movement education. He emphasizes different types of fascial elasticity.
- [50:00-1:00:00] - The importance of the fascial system, current projects, and upcoming teaching opportunities are covered. The podcast concludes with thanks to sponsor Books of Discovery.
Resources:
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- Tom Myers' Anatomy Trains site
- Til Luchau at Anatomy Trains Summer Program
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.Â
- Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/.
- Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at:Â academyofclinicalmassage.comcheatsheet
About Whitney Lowe |  About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Apr 03, 2024
115: New Evidence: Can Massage Spread Cancer? (with Cathy Ryan & Erika Slocum)
Wednesday Apr 03, 2024
Wednesday Apr 03, 2024
🎙️Two new studies are re-opening the age-old discussion about whether massage is safe with clients with cancer. Til and Whitney review the new evidence, the implications, and discuss best practices with expert guests Cathy Ryan and Erika Slocum. 🔍🗣️👥🔊
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:Â
- Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.comÂ
- Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Key Points in the Podcast
- Introduction to The Thinking Practitioner Podcast (00:00-01:30)
- The history of recommendations about massage and cancer (01:30-07:30)
- The benefits of massage therapy for people with cancer (07:30-12:30)
- The possible effects of massage on tumor sites (12:30-17:49)
- Discussing Freidl study on massage and tumor cells migration (17:49-23:00)
- Discussing Karda study on massage and osteosarcoma progression (23:00-30:00)
- Red flags and referrals for potential cancer screening (30:00-37:00)
- The importance of communication and partnership with clients (37:00-41:00)
- Resources for further information on massage and cancer (41:00-45:00)
- Closing remarks and contact information for the guests (45:00-47:30)
Resources:
- [Dr. Peter Friedl's study is pending publication, but his 2016 presentation on this topic is at 9:45 here]
- Karda, I.W.A.M., Wan Ismail, W.F. & Kamal, A.F. Massage manipulation and progression of osteosarcoma, does it really correlate: a combination of prospective and retrospective cohort study. Sci Rep 13, 18541 (2023). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-023-45808-7 https://rdcu.be/dCD6iÂ
- Guest recommendations:
- Training and support: Healwell, Tracy Walton, Gayle MacDonald
- Massage therapy for post-mastectomy, top surgery & oncology support: Eryn Price RMT
- S4OM: Society for Oncology Massage
- Book: Oncology Massage – An Integrative Approach to Cancer Care - Janet Penny & Rebecca Sturgeon
- Article: Could Massage Therapy Promote CANCER Metastasis?
- Cathy Ryan: cryanrmt@gmail.com
- Ericka Slocum: erika.slocum@gmail.comÂ
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.Â
- Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/.
- Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at:Â academyofclinicalmassage.comcheatsheet
About Whitney Lowe |  About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Mar 20, 2024
114: Movement Optimism (with Greg Lehman)
Wednesday Mar 20, 2024
Wednesday Mar 20, 2024
🎙️When we treat our client’s “problems,” are we really helping them? Or, would a more fundamental reframe yield better results? How do we help our clients (and ourselves) shift the usual viewpoints about pain, injury, and recovery? Whitney and Til catch up with physiotherapist and chiropractor Greg Lehman about the evolution of his influential “Reconciling Biomechanics with Pain Science” course, and his thinking on specifics like SI Joint pain, “flat arches,” and more. 🔍🗣️👥🔊
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:Â
- Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.comÂ
- Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Key Points in the Podcast
- Introduction to The Thinking Practitioner Podcast (0:00)
- Opening Sponsor: ABMP (1:00)
- Introduction of Greg Lehman (2:00)
- Greg's background and expertise (3:00)
- Greg's approach to reading and translating research (5:00)
- The concept of Movement Optimism (7:00)
- Shifting from a pessimistic view of the body to a more optimistic view (9:00)
- Explaining pain to patients (11:00)
- The importance of building healthy systems and ecosystems (13:00)
- The fundamentals of treating people with pain (15:00)
- The role of faulty firing patterns in muscles (17:00)
- The concept of alignment and its importance (19:00)
- The role of alignment in pain and function (21:00)
- The debate between different perspectives in the field (23:00)
- The importance of individualized care and patient-centered approaches (25:00)
- The role of biomechanics in treating pain (27:00)
- The influence of research on clinical practice (29:00)
- The overselling of the need to stay updated on research (31:00)
- The importance of fundamentals and common threads in treatment (33:00)
- Greg's eBook "Recovery Strategies" (35:00)
- Greg's views on flat feet and when they matter (37:00)
- The limitations of isolating variables in research (39:00)
- The need for humility and openness in the field (41:00)
- Greg's upcoming teaching schedule and website (43:00)
- Conclusion and thanks (45:00)
Resources:
- Greg Lehman’s free workbook and site
- Greg’s Movement Optimism podcast
- Greg’s osteoarthritis siteÂ
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.Â
- Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering “thinking” at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/.
- Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at:
academyofclinicalmassage.comcheatsheet
About Whitney Lowe |  About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)