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Join two of the leading educators in manual therapy, bodywork, and massage therapy, as they delve into the most intriguing issues, questions, research, and client conditions that hands-on practitioners face. Stimulate your thinking with imaginative conversations, tips, and interviews related to the somatic arts and sciences.
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23 minutes ago
23 minutes ago
š What Happens When the Body Lets Go? Werner Klingler on Anesthesia, Altered States & the Physiology of Relaxation
What actually happens when the body "lets go" ā in anesthesia, trance, or the deep relaxation familiar to hands-on practitioners? Til Luchau talks with Professor Werner Klingler, anesthesiologist, physiologist, and fascia researcher at Ulm University (Germany), whose work bridges clinical anesthesia, neuroscience, and connective-tissue research.
Drawing on decades of operating room experience, Dr. Klingler explains how different parts of the brain disconnect and re-synchronize during altered states, why the "freeze reflex" comes first, and how fascia's responsiveness makes it a living sensory organ rather than inert tissue. Fair warning: Werner gets wonderfully detailed about physiology ā but stick with it, because he drops some genuine gems about autonomic "push-ups," why tears cleanse neurotransmitters, and what happens when children wake from anesthesia with wide-open pupils.
In this episode, they discuss:
- The "octopus model" of consciousness ā why "altered state" is too simple
- The three pillars of anesthesia: unconsciousness, analgesia, and muscle relaxation
- How breathing and COā levels influence pH, drug effectiveness, and tissue tone
- Why warmth matters: how temperature shifts the load between muscle and connective tissue
- What "autonomic push-ups" teach us about resilience and cyclic training
- The freeze-then-flight reflex pattern and how it shows up under anesthesia
- How emotion and perception shift as anesthesia fades ā and why some people wake up sad
- Whether sensation is required for bodywork to be effective (spoiler: tissue effects happen either way)
- Pre- and post-operative care: what bodyworkers can offer surgery patients
- Why fascia is alive ā restructuring, remodeling, and central to our sensory and autonomic systems
- The FRECLS project: how practitioners can contribute to international fascia research
Whether you're curious about the neuroscience of deep relaxation, how anesthesia informs hands-on practice, or what happens when different "arms of the octopus" come back online, this conversation offers a rare clinical perspective on the states we work with every day.
⨠Resources
š Join the FRECLS project (Fascia Research Consensus and Liaison Statement): https://frecls.org/
š Fascia Research Society: https://fasciaresearchsociety.org/
š Video version: https://www.youtube.com/@AdvancedTrainings/podcasts
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⨠Connect with us:
Til Luchau ā https://advanced-trainings.com | Facebook | Instagram
Whitney Lowe ā https://academyofclinicalmassage.com | Facebook | Twitter
š§ Email us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies ā bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, physical therapy, osteopathy, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.

Wednesday Oct 29, 2025
156: Lessons from 50 Years (with Benny Vaughn)
Wednesday Oct 29, 2025
Wednesday Oct 29, 2025
š Celebrating 50 Years of Massage: Benny Vaughnās Legacy of Professionalism, Perseverance & Touch
Whitney Lowe sits down with legendary massage therapist Benny Vaughn to celebrate his 50 years in the massage and bodywork profession ā a career that helped shape modern sports massage, elevate professional standards, and open doors for generations of practitioners.
From his early years breaking racial barriers in sports medicine to his pioneering integration of massage into collegiate and professional athletics, Benny shares powerful stories of courage, mentorship, and the mindset that turns adversity into purpose.
In this conversation, they explore:
⢠Bennyās beginnings in track & field and how that led him to massage in 1975
⢠Integrating massage into university and professional sports programs ā and how it changed the field
⢠Overcoming racial and cultural barriers in the Deep South of the 1970s
⢠The essential mindset shift for success in massage practice
⢠Why mentorship matters ā and how to approach a mentor with respect
⢠What Benny hopes the next 50 years of massage will bring
This inspiring retrospective honors one of massage therapyās most influential pioneers ā a practitioner who continues to teach, mentor, and elevate the profession every day.
⨠Learn more about Benny Vaughn:
š https://bennyvaughnlifecoach.com/
⨠Watch this episode on YouTube:
š https://www.youtube.com/@AdvancedTrainings/podcasts
Sponsor Offers:
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⢠Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitneyās free Assessment Cheat Sheet at academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet.
⢠Tilās 2026 Thailand Retreat: use code āthinkingā for $100 off Finding Balance in an Out-of-Balance World at a-t.tv/thailand-retreat-2026/.
⨠Connect with us:
Til Luchau: advanced-trainings.com | facebook.com/advancedtrainings | instagram.com/til.luchau
Whitney Lowe: academyofclinicalmassage.com | facebook.com/WhitneyLowe | twitter.com/whitneylowe
āāā
The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.

Wednesday Oct 15, 2025
Wednesday Oct 15, 2025
šA better understanding of the very human emotion of disgust can help us navigate boundaries, empathy, and connection in our hands-on workāand in the wider world.
This week, Til welcomes back Todd HargroveāCertified Rolferā¢, movement educator, and author of A Guide to Better Movement and Playing With Movement. Together they explore one of the most primal, and often least examined, human emotions: disgust.
Drawing from psychology, neuroscience, and his years of practice, Todd unpacks disgust as part of our behavioral immune systemāa mechanism designed to keep us safe from harm that also influences our moral judgments, client relationships, and social divisions.
In this conversation, they explore:
⢠How disgust shows up physiologically and emotionally in practitioners and clients
⢠The difference between protective instinct and unconscious bias
⢠When disgust serves as a moral compass, and when it drives prejudice or separation
⢠Practical ways to notice and work with disgust as a signal rather than a verdict
⢠How turning aversion into curiosity can deepen empathy and compassion in practice
At its heart, this dialogue invites practitioners to see disgust not as something to suppress or be ashamed of, but as a doorway into greater awareness, boundaries, and connection.
⨠Read Toddās original article on disgust:
š https://toddhargrove.substack.com/p/disgust
⨠Learn more about Toddās books and writing:
š https://www.bettermovement.org/books
⨠Watch this episode on YouTube:
š https://www.youtube.com/@AdvancedTrainings/podcasts
Sponsor Offers:Ā
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⢠Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at: https://www.academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet/Ā
⢠Tilās upcoming retreat, Finding Balance in an Out-of-Balance World, happening March 2026 in Thailand. Use code āthinkingā for $100 off: https://a-t.tv/thailand-retreat-2026/Ā Ā
⨠Connect with us:
⢠Til Luchau: https://advanced-trainings.com | https://facebook.com/advancedtrainings | https://instagram.com/til.luchau
⢠Whitney Lowe: https://academyofclinicalmassage.com | https://facebook.com/WhitneyLowe | https://twitter.com/whitneylowe
āāā
The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.

Wednesday Oct 01, 2025
Wednesday Oct 01, 2025
šTil Luchau and Whitney Lowe go deep into the sacroiliac (SI) joints in this listener-favorite rebroadcast of Episode 74, where they unpack anatomy, mechanics, assessment controversies, and treatment strategies. From the relationship between pain, stability, and mobility, to ligamentous support, gait mechanics, and the limits of positional models, they offer both clinical clarity and practical takeaways. Along the way, they share road stories, podcast crossovers, and resources for further learning.
š§ Listen in for evidence-based insights, hands-on strategies, and nuanced discussion that balances analytical precision with experiential wisdom.
šThailand Retreat 2026
Join Til and friends for Finding Balance, an immersive bodywork and movement retreat at a floating retreat center in Thailand. Learn more ā https://a-t.tv/thailand-retreat-2026/
šKey Points by Time Code:
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00:00 ā Sponsor, catch-up & travel stories; 2022 Fascia Research CongressĀ
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03:13 ā Todayās focus: sacroiliac joints; Whitneyās Massage & Bodywork article on SI dysfunction
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03:53 ā Tilās Ilia/SI online course announcement (now available on demand)
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04:50 ā Podcast review shout-out: Hands at the Table reviews Tilās course
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06:11 ā Anatomy tour: interlocking joint surfaces, nociceptors, ligament overview
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08:30 ā Weight transfer & keystone analogy; iliolumbar, sacrotuberous, sacrospinous ligaments
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13:53 ā Pain mechanisms: āculprit or victim?ā framing
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15:00 ā Motion at the SI joint: small ROM, often misunderstood
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18:01 ā Nutation vs. counternutation explained; clinical relevance
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24:50 ā Assessment: why provocation tests (Laslett cluster) matter more than positional diagnosis
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28:58 ā Treatment approaches: working with sensitivity, remote-site effects, neural target zones
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30:22 ā Clinical reasoning: differentiating nerve tension vs. ligament vs. joint capsule
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33:20 ā Complexity of models vs. simplicity of sensation-first approaches
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37:14 ā Hypermobility paradox: Ehlers-Danlos and individualized load titration
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45:00 ā Gait mechanics: contralateral in-/out-flare with each step; self-exploration drills
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46:07 ā Lateral tilt, functional vs. structural leg-length differences; heel lift caveats
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58:43 ā Self-care: DonTigny-inspired gentle movement in both directions
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59:30 ā Course info recap; live & recorded access options
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1:00:42 ā Closing sponsor; how to find show notes & rate the podcast
Resources:
- Article: āCurrent Concepts in Sacroiliac Joint Dysfunctionā (free, registration required)
- Training: Ilia & SI Joints: Principles
- Review: the Hands at the Table podcast hosts dissect an AMT Principles courseĀ
- Previous TTP SIJ episode: 3: Sacroiliac Joint Pain: Causes, Controversies, and ConsiderationsĀ
- Whitneyās references:
- Physiotutors web clip on Laslett SI joint test cluster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8txpsqHYpQ&t=197s
- Szadek KM, Hoogland P V., Zuurmond WW, de Lange JJ, Perez RS. Nociceptive Nerve Fibers in the Sacroiliac Joint in Humans. Reg Anesth Pain Med. 2008;33(1):36-43. doi:10.1016/j.rapm.2007.07.011
- Bertoldo D, Pirri C, Roviaro B, et al. Pilot study of sacroiliac joint dysfunction treated with a single session of fascial manipulationĀ® method: Clinical implications for effective pain reduction. Med. 2021;57(7):1-11. doi:10.3390/medicina57070691
Sponsor Offers:Ā
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- Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering āthinkingā at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/,.
- Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at:Ā academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
- Tilās upcoming retreat, Finding Balance in an Out-of-Balance World, happening March 2026 in Thailand. Use code āthinkingā for $100 off: https://a-t.tv/thailand-retreat-2026/Ā Ā
š” Join the Conversation: Share your thoughts with us! info@thethinkingpractitioner.comĀ
⨠Rate, review, and share! Help others discover The Thinking Practitioner podcast.
š Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!Ā
- Whitney Loweās site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.comĀ
- Til Luchauās site: Advanced-Trainings.com Ā
About Whitney LoweĀ | About Til LuchauĀ |Ā Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
šIn this special episode recorded live at the 7th International Fascial Research Congress in New Orleans, Til Luchau gathers conversations with leading researchers, educators, and practitioners from around the world. From collagen synthesis breakthroughs to fascia typologies, scar tissue management, mental imagery, and integrative perspectives on touch and movement, this episode captures the excitement and connections at the forefront of fascia research.
šInterviews by Time Code:
Sponsor Offers:Ā
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.Ā
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.Ā
- Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering āthinkingā at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/,.
- Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at:Ā academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
- Tilās upcoming retreat, Finding Balance in an Out-of-Balance World, happening March 2026 in Thailand. Use code āthinkingā for $100 off: https://a-t.tv/thailand-retreat-2026/Ā Ā
š” Join the Conversation: Share your thoughts with us! info@thethinkingpractitioner.comĀ
⨠Rate, review, and share! Help others discover The Thinking Practitioner podcast.
š Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!Ā
- Whitney Loweās site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.comĀ
- Til Luchauās site: Advanced-Trainings.com Ā
About Whitney LoweĀ | About Til LuchauĀ |Ā Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
