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Join two of the leading educators in manual therapy, bodywork, and massage therapy, as they delve into the most intriguing issues, questions, research, and client conditions that hands-on practitioners face. Stimulate your thinking with imaginative conversations, tips, and interviews related to the somatic arts and sciences.
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Wednesday Oct 15, 2025
Wednesday Oct 15, 2025
šA better understanding of the very human emotion of disgust can help us navigate boundaries, empathy, and connection in our hands-on workāand in the wider world.
This week, Til welcomes back Todd HargroveāCertified Rolferā¢, movement educator, and author of A Guide to Better Movement and Playing With Movement. Together they explore one of the most primal, and often least examined, human emotions: disgust.
Drawing from psychology, neuroscience, and his years of practice, Todd unpacks disgust as part of our behavioral immune systemāa mechanism designed to keep us safe from harm that also influences our moral judgments, client relationships, and social divisions.
In this conversation, they explore:
⢠How disgust shows up physiologically and emotionally in practitioners and clients
⢠The difference between protective instinct and unconscious bias
⢠When disgust serves as a moral compass, and when it drives prejudice or separation
⢠Practical ways to notice and work with disgust as a signal rather than a verdict
⢠How turning aversion into curiosity can deepen empathy and compassion in practice
At its heart, this dialogue invites practitioners to see disgust not as something to suppress or be ashamed of, but as a doorway into greater awareness, boundaries, and connection.
⨠Read Toddās original article on disgust:
š https://toddhargrove.substack.com/p/disgust
⨠Learn more about Toddās books and writing:
š https://www.bettermovement.org/books
⨠Watch this episode on YouTube:
š https://www.youtube.com/@AdvancedTrainings/podcasts
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⢠Tilās upcoming retreat, Finding Balance in an Out-of-Balance World, happening March 2026 in Thailand. Use code āthinkingā for $100 off: https://a-t.tv/thailand-retreat-2026/Ā Ā
⨠Connect with us:
⢠Til Luchau: https://advanced-trainings.com | https://facebook.com/advancedtrainings | https://instagram.com/til.luchau
⢠Whitney Lowe: https://academyofclinicalmassage.com | https://facebook.com/WhitneyLowe | https://twitter.com/whitneylowe
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The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.

Wednesday Oct 01, 2025
Wednesday Oct 01, 2025
šTil Luchau and Whitney Lowe go deep into the sacroiliac (SI) joints in this listener-favorite rebroadcast of Episode 74, where they unpack anatomy, mechanics, assessment controversies, and treatment strategies. From the relationship between pain, stability, and mobility, to ligamentous support, gait mechanics, and the limits of positional models, they offer both clinical clarity and practical takeaways. Along the way, they share road stories, podcast crossovers, and resources for further learning.
š§ Listen in for evidence-based insights, hands-on strategies, and nuanced discussion that balances analytical precision with experiential wisdom.
šThailand Retreat 2026
Join Til and friends for Finding Balance, an immersive bodywork and movement retreat at a floating retreat center in Thailand. Learn more ā https://a-t.tv/thailand-retreat-2026/
šKey Points by Time Code:
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00:00 ā Sponsor, catch-up & travel stories; 2022 Fascia Research CongressĀ
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03:13 ā Todayās focus: sacroiliac joints; Whitneyās Massage & Bodywork article on SI dysfunction
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03:53 ā Tilās Ilia/SI online course announcement (now available on demand)
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04:50 ā Podcast review shout-out: Hands at the Table reviews Tilās course
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06:11 ā Anatomy tour: interlocking joint surfaces, nociceptors, ligament overview
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08:30 ā Weight transfer & keystone analogy; iliolumbar, sacrotuberous, sacrospinous ligaments
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13:53 ā Pain mechanisms: āculprit or victim?ā framing
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15:00 ā Motion at the SI joint: small ROM, often misunderstood
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18:01 ā Nutation vs. counternutation explained; clinical relevance
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24:50 ā Assessment: why provocation tests (Laslett cluster) matter more than positional diagnosis
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28:58 ā Treatment approaches: working with sensitivity, remote-site effects, neural target zones
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30:22 ā Clinical reasoning: differentiating nerve tension vs. ligament vs. joint capsule
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33:20 ā Complexity of models vs. simplicity of sensation-first approaches
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37:14 ā Hypermobility paradox: Ehlers-Danlos and individualized load titration
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45:00 ā Gait mechanics: contralateral in-/out-flare with each step; self-exploration drills
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46:07 ā Lateral tilt, functional vs. structural leg-length differences; heel lift caveats
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58:43 ā Self-care: DonTigny-inspired gentle movement in both directions
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59:30 ā Course info recap; live & recorded access options
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1:00:42 ā Closing sponsor; how to find show notes & rate the podcast
Resources:
- Article: āCurrent Concepts in Sacroiliac Joint Dysfunctionā (free, registration required)
- Training: Ilia & SI Joints: Principles
- Review: the Hands at the Table podcast hosts dissect an AMT Principles courseĀ
- Previous TTP SIJ episode: 3: Sacroiliac Joint Pain: Causes, Controversies, and ConsiderationsĀ
- Whitneyās references:
- Physiotutors web clip on Laslett SI joint test cluster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8txpsqHYpQ&t=197s
- Szadek KM, Hoogland P V., Zuurmond WW, de Lange JJ, Perez RS. Nociceptive Nerve Fibers in the Sacroiliac Joint in Humans. Reg Anesth Pain Med. 2008;33(1):36-43. doi:10.1016/j.rapm.2007.07.011
- Bertoldo D, Pirri C, Roviaro B, et al. Pilot study of sacroiliac joint dysfunction treated with a single session of fascial manipulationĀ® method: Clinical implications for effective pain reduction. Med. 2021;57(7):1-11. doi:10.3390/medicina57070691
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- Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at:Ā academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
- Tilās upcoming retreat, Finding Balance in an Out-of-Balance World, happening March 2026 in Thailand. Use code āthinkingā for $100 off: https://a-t.tv/thailand-retreat-2026/Ā Ā
š” Join the Conversation: Share your thoughts with us! info@thethinkingpractitioner.comĀ
⨠Rate, review, and share! Help others discover The Thinking Practitioner podcast.
š Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!Ā
- Whitney Loweās site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.comĀ
- Til Luchauās site: Advanced-Trainings.com Ā
About Whitney LoweĀ | About Til LuchauĀ |Ā Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
šIn this special episode recorded live at the 7th International Fascial Research Congress in New Orleans, Til Luchau gathers conversations with leading researchers, educators, and practitioners from around the world. From collagen synthesis breakthroughs to fascia typologies, scar tissue management, mental imagery, and integrative perspectives on touch and movement, this episode captures the excitement and connections at the forefront of fascia research.
šInterviews by Time Code:
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- Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at:Ā academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
- Tilās upcoming retreat, Finding Balance in an Out-of-Balance World, happening March 2026 in Thailand. Use code āthinkingā for $100 off: https://a-t.tv/thailand-retreat-2026/Ā Ā
š” Join the Conversation: Share your thoughts with us! info@thethinkingpractitioner.comĀ
⨠Rate, review, and share! Help others discover The Thinking Practitioner podcast.
š Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!Ā
- Whitney Loweās site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.comĀ
- Til Luchauās site: Advanced-Trainings.com Ā
About Whitney LoweĀ | About Til LuchauĀ |Ā Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
152. Does Pressure Matter? What the Research Says (with Til Luchau & Whitney Lowe)
Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
šIn this intriguing episode, Til and Whitney dig into a recent study that tested the effects of pressure in myofascial releaseācomparing a traditional pressure-based technique with a light-touch "sham" version. The study measured changes in pain sensitivity, neck mobility, and proprioception.
What did the study find? And what can that teach us about technique, touch, and the therapeutic encounter? Join us as we unpack the design, outcomes, and broader implications of this fascinating studyāand reflect on what really makes manual therapy effective.
š Key Topics:
- 00:47 - Study Introduction - Exploring immediate effects of suboccipital myofascial release on pain thresholds, range of motion, and proprioception
- 04:38 - Research Design - Comparing pressure-based technique vs. "sham" light touch treatment in 30 healthy adults
- 08:45 - Sham Treatment Challenges - Why creating control groups is particularly difficult in manual therapy research
- 12:18 - Measurement Methods - Pain pressure threshold, cervical range of motion, and proprioception repositioning tests
- 14:58 - Surprising Results - Both pressure and light touch groups showed similar improvements with no statistical difference
- 18:14 - Contextual Effects - Everything beyond technique that influences outcomes: environment, expectations, touch quality, practitioner skill
- 19:44 - Technique vs. Context Debate - Does this prove technique doesn't matter, or highlight the importance of how we deliver treatment?
- 26:16 - Anatomical Considerations - Suboccipital muscles, proprioceptors, and precision-oriented treatment approaches
- 30:00 - Research Limitations - Small sample size, no follow-up, immediate effects only, practitioner experience factors
- 34:12 - Clinical Takeaways - The "magic" of touch and importance of human connection in therapeutic outcomes
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- Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at:Ā academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
- Tilās upcoming retreat, Finding Balance in an Out-of-Balance World, happening March 2026 in Thailand. Use code āthinkingā for $100 off: https://a-t.tv/thailand-retreat-2026/Ā Ā
š” Join the Conversation: Share your thoughts with us! info@thethinkingpractitioner.comĀ
⨠Rate, review, and share! Help others discover The Thinking Practitioner podcast.
š Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!Ā
- Whitney Loweās site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.comĀ
- Til Luchauās site: Advanced-Trainings.com Ā
About Whitney LoweĀ | About Til LuchauĀ |Ā Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Aug 20, 2025
151: Finding Balance in an Out-of-Balance World (with Til Luchau & Whitney Lowe)
Wednesday Aug 20, 2025
Wednesday Aug 20, 2025
šWhat does it mean to find balanceāwhen the world around us feels anything but balanced? Til and Whitney explore the many meanings of ābalance,ā from physical coordination and structural asymmetry to emotional regulation, interoception, and life rhythm. Drawing on neuroscience, somatics, and their own experience as bodyworkers, they reflect on how balance isnāt a fixed pointābut a dynamic process of continual adaptation.
Whether youāre a practitioner looking to stay grounded in caregiving roles, or just navigating modern overwhelm, this episode offers practical insights and embodied metaphors to help you stay centered.
⨠Inspired by Tilās upcoming retreat, Finding Balance in an Out-of-Balance World, happening March 2026 in Thailand. Sign up now with a $350 deposit, and use code āthinkingā for $100: https://a-t.tv/thailand-retreat-2026/Ā
š Key Topics:
š Resources Mentioned in This EpisodeĀ
Sponsor Offers:Ā
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.Ā
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.Ā
- Advanced-Trainings: try a month of the amazing A-T Subscription free by entering āthinkingā at checkout at a-t.tv/subscriptions/,.
- Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at:Ā academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
- Tilās upcoming retreat, Finding Balance in an Out-of-Balance World, happening March 2026 in Thailand. Use code āthinkingā for $100 off: https://a-t.tv/thailand-retreat-2026/Ā Ā
š” Join the Conversation: Share your thoughts with us! info@thethinkingpractitioner.comĀ
⨠Rate, review, and share! Help others discover The Thinking Practitioner podcast.
š Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!Ā
- Whitney Loweās site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.comĀ
- Til Luchauās site: Advanced-Trainings.com Ā
About Whitney LoweĀ | About Til LuchauĀ |Ā Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
