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For the practitioner who’s never stopped being curious. Til Luchau and Whitney Lowe bring together leading researchers, master clinicians, and big questions from across bodywork, massage, and manual therapy — exploring not just what we do with our hands, but why it works and how to do it better. Smart, grounded, and genuinely useful conversations for the somatic arts and sciences.
For professional practitioners in bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedics, sports massage, physical therapy, and osteopathy — as well as yoga, strength and conditioning, and allied professions.
This podcast is not medical or treatment advice.
For the practitioner who’s never stopped being curious. Til Luchau and Whitney Lowe bring together leading researchers, master clinicians, and big questions from across bodywork, massage, and manual therapy — exploring not just what we do with our hands, but why it works and how to do it better. Smart, grounded, and genuinely useful conversations for the somatic arts and sciences.
For professional practitioners in bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedics, sports massage, physical therapy, and osteopathy — as well as yoga, strength and conditioning, and allied professions.
This podcast is not medical or treatment advice.
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Feb 7, 2024
Feb 7, 2024
53 min
🎙️Twelve years ago, Lorimer Moseley’s TEDx talk “Why Things Hurt” helped to catalyze profound changes in how pain is conceptualized, in our field and in many others. If we think about pain as protection, rather than as damage, it changes how we explain the improvements we see in hands-on work. Professor Moseley joins Til and Whitney to update us on his thinking, and to offer bodyworks and massage therapists practical advice on working with our clients with pain.🔍🗣️👥🔊
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:Â
- Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.comÂ
- Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
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Key Points in the Podcast
- Introduction to The Thinking Practitioner Podcast (0:00)Â Â
- Sponsorship by Books of Discovery (1:30)
- Introduction of Lorimer Moseley (3:00)Â
- Lorimer Moseley's TEDx talk and its impact (6:00)
- Description of pain to those experiencing chronic pain (9:00)
- Historical context of pain education (13:00)
- Three historical phases of pain education evolution:Â (15:30)
- ancient pain education,Â
- old school pain education, andÂ
- current pain science education
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- Four essential pain facts: (19:30)
- pain protects us and promotes healing,Â
- persistent pain is also a protective function,Â
- many factors can influence pain, andÂ
- therefore, there are many ways to reduce pain and recover.Â
- Challenges of explaining complex concepts in a short period of time (26:00)
- Importance of validation and empathy in pain education (30:30)
- Role of optimism and encouragement in pain education (34:30)
- Lorimer Moseley's upcoming courses in North America (39:00)
- Sponsorship by ABMP (42:00)
- Closing remarks and contact information (43:30)
Resources:
- “Why Things Hurt” TEDx talk
- Pain Matters podcast
- Lorimer Moseley’s North American tour: noigroup.com
- Lorimer Moseley’s charity: painrevolution.org
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- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.Â
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- Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at:
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About Whitney Lowe |  About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

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