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For the practitioner who’s never stopped being curious. Til Luchau and Whitney Lowe bring together leading researchers, master clinicians, and big questions from across bodywork, massage, and manual therapy — exploring not just what we do with our hands, but why it works and how to do it better. Smart, grounded, and genuinely useful conversations for the somatic arts and sciences.
For professional practitioners in bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedics, sports massage, physical therapy, and osteopathy — as well as yoga, strength and conditioning, and allied professions.
This podcast is not medical or treatment advice.
Episodes

Aug 25, 2021
Aug 25, 2021
50 min
Whitney and Til unfold the controversies, compare thoughts, and share approaches for working with the iliotibial band. Download the free handout!
Topics include:
- Little-known facts, well-known myths, and over-heated controversies about the ITB,
- When and why would (or wouldn’t) we work, roll, or massage the ITB (aka the iliotibial tract or fascia lata)?
- Hands-on techniques for some of the most common ITB-related client complaints.
Get the HANDOUT and full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites, plus sign up for Til's upcoming Leg Knee & Foot course!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- Baker RL, Fredericson M. Iliotibial Band Syndrome in Runners. Biomechanical Implications and Exercise Interventions. Phys Med Rehabil Clin N Am. 2016;27(1):53-77. doi:10.1016/j.pmr.2015.08.001
- Aderem J, Louw QA. Biomechanical risk factors associated with iliotibial band syndrome in runners: A systematic review Rehabilitation, physical therapy and occupational health. BMC Musculoskelet Disord. 2015;16(1):7-9. doi:10.1186/s12891-015-0808-7
- Fairclough J, Hayashi K, Toumi H, et al. The functional anatomy of the iliotibial band during flexion and extension of the knee: implications for understanding iliotibial band syndrome. J Anat. 2006;208(3):309-316. doi:JOA531 [pii]10.1111/j.1469-7580.2006.00531.x
- Podcast ITB image used under license by the National Library of Medicine Visible Human Project. Arrows show location of ITB.
- Til Luchau’s “Principles: Leg Knee & Foot” live-online course (join live thru mid-September, or later by recording)
- Download this episodes free handout for full references and more
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
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About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Aug 11, 2021
Aug 11, 2021
1hr 10 min
Til Luchau & Whitney Lowe talk with researcher and Robert Schleip about fascia, movement, and research updates in the newly released second edition of Fascia in Sport and Movement, co-edited by Jan Wilke.
Topics include:
- Should bodywork cost half of what movement therapy costs? {joke!}
- Is the issue fascial stiffness, or fascial shearing?
- What does fascias' extensive sensory innervation mean for manual therapists?
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- Book: Fascia in Sport & Movement at Handspring (Get 15% off with coupon code TTP)
- fasciaresearch.de
- somatics.de
- Fascia Research Society
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Jul 28, 2021
Jul 28, 2021
52 min
Whitney talks to Doug Nelson about the challenges and learning experiences of a great massage career spanning over four decades.
Topics include:
- What keeps you going after all this time?
- What are some of the most fascinating lessons your clients have provided for you?
- How do we all learn to be humble in the face of our own fallibility in the clinic and the classroom?
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- Doug's Book: Table Lessons
- NMT Midwest
- Massage Therapy Foundation
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
- Healwell: save 10% Healwell courses when you join the Healwell Community at community.healwell.org
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Jul 14, 2021
Jul 14, 2021
48 min
Til Luchau talks about trauma, psychedelic psychotherapy, and the body, with Marcela Ot'alora G., the principal investigator in a very promising FDA-approved study into MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD.
Topics include:
- How does trauma relate to bodywork, and how does MDMA therapy help with trauma?
- How is psychedelic therapy different from just taking psychedelics?
- What can we learn from your MDMA/PTSD study that can help us be more effective as massage and manual therapy practitioners?
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- Marcela Ot'alora’s Tim Ferriss Podcast interview
- About MAPS.org (and training as an MDMA psychotherapist)
- About the MDMA/PTSD Study
- Apply to be a subject in the MDMA/PTSD clinical trials
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Jun 30, 2021
Jun 30, 2021
57 min
Til and Whitney talk to Cathy Ryan RMT about her book 'Traumatic Scar Tissue Management: Massage Therapy Principles, Practice and Protocols,' co-authored with Nancy Keenan Smith.
Topics include:
- How has fascial research informed our understanding of scars?
- Is it about the "fuzz," or the fluids?
- Erasing scars, once and for all. (Not really.)
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- Book: Traumatic Scar Tissue Management: Massage Therapy Principles, Practice and Protocols (save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout)
- Book: Oncology Massage (save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout)
- Email Cathy Ryan: cryanrmt@gmail.com
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Episode image credit: Nancy Keenan Smith
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
- Healwell: save 10% Healwell courses when you join the Healwell Community at community.healwell.org
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
