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Join two of the leading educators in manual therapy, bodywork, and massage therapy, as they delve into the most intriguing issues, questions, research, and client conditions that hands-on practitioners face. Stimulate your thinking with imaginative conversations, tips, and interviews related to the somatic arts and sciences.
Episodes

Wednesday Jul 14, 2021
43: Trauma, MDMA Psychotherapy, and the Body (with Marcela Ot'alora G.)
Wednesday Jul 14, 2021
Wednesday Jul 14, 2021
Til Luchau talks about trauma, psychedelic psychotherapy, and the body, with Marcela Ot'alora G., the principal investigator in a very promising FDA-approved study into MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD.
Topics include:
- How does trauma relate to bodywork, and how does MDMA therapy help with trauma?
- How is psychedelic therapy different from just taking psychedelics?
- What can we learn from your MDMA/PTSD study that can help us be more effective as massage and manual therapy practitioners?
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- Marcela Ot'alora’s Tim Ferriss Podcast interview
- About MAPS.org (and training as an MDMA psychotherapist)
- About the MDMA/PTSD Study
- Apply to be a subject in the MDMA/PTSD clinical trials
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Jun 30, 2021
42: Scars and Scar Tissue (with Cathy Ryan)
Wednesday Jun 30, 2021
Wednesday Jun 30, 2021
Til and Whitney talk to Cathy Ryan RMT about her book 'Traumatic Scar Tissue Management: Massage Therapy Principles, Practice and Protocols,' co-authored with Nancy Keenan Smith.
Topics include:
- How has fascial research informed our understanding of scars?
- Is it about the "fuzz," or the fluids?
- Erasing scars, once and for all. (Not really.)
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- Book: Traumatic Scar Tissue Management: Massage Therapy Principles, Practice and Protocols (save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout)
- Book: Oncology Massage (save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout)
- Email Cathy Ryan: cryanrmt@gmail.com
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Episode image credit: Nancy Keenan Smith
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
- Healwell: save 10% Healwell courses when you join the Healwell Community at community.healwell.org
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Jun 23, 2021
41: Going For It: The Massage Mentor (with Diane Matkowski)
Wednesday Jun 23, 2021
Wednesday Jun 23, 2021
Whitney and Til talk to Diane Matkowski (a.k.a. the Massage Mentor) to find out what gave her the chutzpah to ask 10 of her favorite massage and bodywork teachers to teach in her first online event, what it was like when nearly 600 people showed up, and what she's working on next.
Topics include:
- There are a lot of male teachers in our field. Where are the women? (Here.)
- Finding your thing, and going for it.
- Do we have to be good at business, to be good practitioners?
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- The Hip Jam Oct 4-8, 2021
- The Massage Mentor Institute (online courses)
- Inside Job (upcoming training)
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Jun 09, 2021
40: How To (Not) Fix It (with Cal Cates)
Wednesday Jun 09, 2021
Wednesday Jun 09, 2021
Til and Whitney talk to Healwell’s Cal Cates about how their work with death and dying brought perspective and presence to their work as a massage therapist; and to living itself.
Topics include:
- How is “being a massage therapist in the modern world a total setup”?
- What do we say when our clients just want results?
- How do our personal experiences influence the way we engage with our clients?
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- "Death, Dying, and the Breakability of Us All" article in Massage & Bodywork
- Interdisciplinary podcast
- “Opening to the Mystery” online retreat
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Healwell: save 10% on the“Opening to the Mystery” online retreat save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout at healwell.org
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday May 26, 2021
39: Are You Thinking Critically? (with Ruth Werner)
Wednesday May 26, 2021
Wednesday May 26, 2021
How often do we think about the assumptions that inform our decisions? Til Luchau talks to writer Ruth Werner about her recent work on critical thinking skills, steps, and stages.
Topics include:
- What is the big deal about critical thinking?
- What are the signs that I might not be thinking critically?
- Is intuition the opposite of critical thinking? And more.
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- Supplemental video: Ruth interviews Til: “What is critical thinking?”
- “Critical Thinking” article in Massage & Bodywork magazine
- I Have a Client Who... Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner (podcast)
- A Massage Therapist's Guide to Pathology (book)
- What Next? COVID-19 Updates for Massage Therapists (online course)
- Ruth Werners’ site: www.ruthwerner.com
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- The Shoulder Jam event, via Til or Whitney‘s links
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)