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Join two of the leading educators in manual therapy, bodywork, and massage therapy, as they delve into the most intriguing issues, questions, research, and client conditions that hands-on practitioners face. Stimulate your thinking with imaginative conversations, tips, and interviews related to the somatic arts and sciences.
Join two of the leading educators in manual therapy, bodywork, and massage therapy, as they delve into the most intriguing issues, questions, research, and client conditions that hands-on practitioners face. Stimulate your thinking with imaginative conversations, tips, and interviews related to the somatic arts and sciences.
Episodes

Wednesday Aug 11, 2021
45: Fascia in Sport & Movement (with Robert Schleip)
Wednesday Aug 11, 2021
Wednesday Aug 11, 2021
Til Luchau & Whitney Lowe talk with researcher and Robert Schleip about fascia, movement, and research updates in the newly released second edition of Fascia in Sport and Movement, co-edited by Jan Wilke.
Topics include:
- Should bodywork cost half of what movement therapy costs? {joke!}
- Is the issue fascial stiffness, or fascial shearing?
- What does fascias' extensive sensory innervation mean for manual therapists?
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- Book: Fascia in Sport & Movement at Handspring (Get 15% off with coupon code TTP)
- fasciaresearch.de
- somatics.de
- Fascia Research Society
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Jul 28, 2021
44: Table Lessons (with Doug Nelson)
Wednesday Jul 28, 2021
Wednesday Jul 28, 2021
Whitney talks to Doug Nelson about the challenges and learning experiences of a great massage career spanning over four decades.
Topics include:
- What keeps you going after all this time?
- What are some of the most fascinating lessons your clients have provided for you?
- How do we all learn to be humble in the face of our own fallibility in the clinic and the classroom?
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- Doug's Book: Table Lessons
- NMT Midwest
- Massage Therapy Foundation
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
- Healwell: save 10% Healwell courses when you join the Healwell Community at community.healwell.org
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Jul 14, 2021
43: Trauma, MDMA Psychotherapy, and the Body (with Marcela Ot'alora G.)
Wednesday Jul 14, 2021
Wednesday Jul 14, 2021
Til Luchau talks about trauma, psychedelic psychotherapy, and the body, with Marcela Ot'alora G., the principal investigator in a very promising FDA-approved study into MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD.
Topics include:
- How does trauma relate to bodywork, and how does MDMA therapy help with trauma?
- How is psychedelic therapy different from just taking psychedelics?
- What can we learn from your MDMA/PTSD study that can help us be more effective as massage and manual therapy practitioners?
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- Marcela Ot'alora’s Tim Ferriss Podcast interview
- About MAPS.org (and training as an MDMA psychotherapist)
- About the MDMA/PTSD Study
- Apply to be a subject in the MDMA/PTSD clinical trials
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Jun 30, 2021
42: Scars and Scar Tissue (with Cathy Ryan)
Wednesday Jun 30, 2021
Wednesday Jun 30, 2021
Til and Whitney talk to Cathy Ryan RMT about her book 'Traumatic Scar Tissue Management: Massage Therapy Principles, Practice and Protocols,' co-authored with Nancy Keenan Smith.
Topics include:
- How has fascial research informed our understanding of scars?
- Is it about the "fuzz," or the fluids?
- Erasing scars, once and for all. (Not really.)
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- Book: Traumatic Scar Tissue Management: Massage Therapy Principles, Practice and Protocols (save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout)
- Book: Oncology Massage (save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout)
- Email Cathy Ryan: cryanrmt@gmail.com
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Episode image credit: Nancy Keenan Smith
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
- Healwell: save 10% Healwell courses when you join the Healwell Community at community.healwell.org
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Jun 23, 2021
41: Going For It: The Massage Mentor (with Diane Matkowski)
Wednesday Jun 23, 2021
Wednesday Jun 23, 2021
Whitney and Til talk to Diane Matkowski (a.k.a. the Massage Mentor) to find out what gave her the chutzpah to ask 10 of her favorite massage and bodywork teachers to teach in her first online event, what it was like when nearly 600 people showed up, and what she's working on next.
Topics include:
- There are a lot of male teachers in our field. Where are the women? (Here.)
- Finding your thing, and going for it.
- Do we have to be good at business, to be good practitioners?
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
- The Hip Jam Oct 4-8, 2021
- The Massage Mentor Institute (online courses)
- Inside Job (upcoming training)
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)
