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Join two of the leading educators in manual therapy, bodywork, and massage therapy, as they delve into the most intriguing issues, questions, research, and client conditions that hands-on practitioners face. Stimulate your thinking with imaginative conversations, tips, and interviews related to the somatic arts and sciences.
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Wednesday Sep 16, 2020
23: Do Expectations Shape Results? (with Mark Bishop)
Wednesday Sep 16, 2020
Wednesday Sep 16, 2020
Mark Bishop’s research shows that clients who think treatment will help benefit more than those who don’t expect much relief. What is more, practitioners who expect their modality will help actually get better results than practitioners who are less certain. What’s up with that?
In this episode, Til and Whitney interview manual therapist, physiotherapist and researcher Mark Bishop about his fascinating investigations into how expectations can shape results; the role of client preferences in treatment success; and how practitioners can most effectively leverage these effects.
Mark Bishop PT PhD FAPTA is a physiotherapist with more than 30 years of clinical and research experience in the area of rehabilitation of musculoskeletal pain disorders. His work has focused predominantly on the mechanisms underpinning the efficacy and effectiveness of conservative interventions for pain, especially manual therapy and exercise. He is currently a faculty member in the Department of Physical Therapy with affiliations in the Center for Pain Research and Behavioral Health, and the Pain Research and Intervention Center of Excellence at the University of Florida.
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources discussed in this episode:
- Center for Pain Research and Behavioral Health
- Pain Research and Intervention Center of Excellence
- “Patient Expectations of Benefit From Interventions for Neck Pain and Resulting Influence on Outcomes” (Bishop et al, 2013)
- Spinal stiffness study mentioned by Dr Bishop (Fritz et al, 2011)
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
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About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Sep 02, 2020
22: Fascia, Fuzz and Furor (with Gil Hedley)
Wednesday Sep 02, 2020
Wednesday Sep 02, 2020
Anatomist Gil Hedley discusses fascial debacles, debates, and dissection with Til Luchau.
In this episode,
- Gil Hedley’s Fuzz Speech: facts, fantasies, and furor;
- Sexuality in the dissection room;
- Conspiracies: pattern of meaning, or menace?
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources discussed in this episode:
- Gil Hedley’s Fuzz Speech on YouTube
- Gil Hedley’s site: gilhedley.com
- Til's “patternicity” reference: Finding Meaningful Patterns in Meaningless Noise: Why the brain believes something is real when it is not (Michael Shermer)
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Aug 19, 2020
21: My Aching (Upper) Back: Thoracic Spine Pain
Wednesday Aug 19, 2020
Wednesday Aug 19, 2020
Whitney and Til discuss a very common (but poorly researched) complaint: upper thoracic spine pain, and what to do about it.
In this episode,
- Does posture drive upper back pain? Does psychology?
- Breaking the Upper-Cross-Syndrome rules (and what “PhD” doesn’t really stand for).
- The Over-the-Edge technique for upper back pain.
Get the full transcript and handout at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources discussed in this episode:
- Free Episode Handout
- Thoracic spine pain in the general population: Prevalence, incidence and associated factors in children, adolescents and adults. A systematic review. (Briggs et al 2009)
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Aug 05, 2020
20: A Pain in the Neck: Cervical Challenges and Strategies
Wednesday Aug 05, 2020
Wednesday Aug 05, 2020
Whitney and Til discuss assessment and treatment considerations unique to working with the neck and cervical region; how their respective training programs are adapting to the challenges of COVID-19; and much more.
In this episode,
- Neck issues: shifting from tissue fault to nociceptive driver
- Can we treat the neck in isolation?
- Thoughts on “text neck,” and more.
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources discussed in this episode:
- The Relationship Between Forward Head Posture and Neck Pain: a Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis (Mahmoud et al 2019)
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Wednesday Jul 22, 2020
19: What About Risk?
Wednesday Jul 22, 2020
Wednesday Jul 22, 2020
How do we manage risk, in a world where we don’t even agree about what the risks are? Pathology writer Ruth Werner joins Til and Whitney for a lively conversation about risk, risk tolerance, and ethical decision making in massage and manual therapy, in the face of both COVID-19, and in the differences in how we perceive the risks involved.
In the Thinking Practitioner series, join two of the leading educators in manual therapy, bodywork, and massage therapy, as they delve into the most intriguing issues, questions, research, and client conditions that hands-on practitioners face. Stimulate your thinking with imaginative conversations, tips, and interviews related to the somatic arts and sciences, with Whitney Lowe and Til Luchau.
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Resources discussed in this episode:
- Ruth Werner’s site: ruthwerner.com
- Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
- Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
- Books of Discovery: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com.
- ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
- Handspring Publishing: save 20% by entering “TTP” at checkout at handspringpublishing.com.
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)